This sparked a series of counter posts. These are the responses I know about: Bob, Meno, Bob again, and Julie Pippert. If you know of others, send me the link and I will add them.
The thinking person’s argument has been carefully weighed, and I’ve nothing to add. I believe each scenario is unique, thus so are the solutions. Put your marriage first, and choose the approach that best honors you and your partner’s relationship.
I had a husband once, before I met the Mister. By had, I don’t mean a sexual relationship or a marital one. He was a former classmate. He was married, I was single and we were friends. During his “salad days” he worked as a firefighter and his wife waited tables. I crashed at my Mom’s house most weekends, and he frequently dropped by because he was off work 48 hours at a time. The friendship was founded on loneliness and availability.
We hung out watched movies, built bird houses, or walked plowed fields. This was nothing like my female friendships. There was a blunt straightforwardness about it that didn’t require me to stay up into the wee hours of morning discerning if he said what he meant or if he was attempting to drop a hint, or respond to something delicately. It was strictly what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
Our friendship wasn’t public knowledge, but his wife was aware of it, as was my family. We didn’t spent time together independent of his wife when she was off work. She was never excluded from the relationship. If she was off, the three of us would spend time together. She was not a jealous person, and trusted both of us unequivocally.
She endured her share of trash talk. If we ate dinner where she was employed, another server might say something catty like, “Your husband is here with you girlfriend..” Invariably she would walk over, speak, then return her customers and work mates as if this were perfectly normal. She handles drama with unflappable grace. If I had felt their marriage was compromised at any time, I would have abandoned friendship without protest.
My family was amused. They often referred to him as my husband. He was present for family dinners and adopted into the fold. If anyone suspected any impropriety, it was never discussed with me. Regardless of appearance, the nature of the relationship was never inappropriate.
There are good reasons for partners to be mindful of opposite sex relationships. There was an incident when the tension was palpable. Neither of us acted inappropriately. We quietly disengaged and he went home. We never discussed it. It’s possible, I was the only one who noticed. I respected the trust I had been granted by his partner, and I continued to honor it.
Over the years, I played the “what if game”. I suppose it’s human nature to ask those questions of yourself the better you know a person. It was nothing more than a mental chess match, but I later discovered I hadn’t played alone.
It was an open conversation, instigated by him. It was handled in the same matter-of-fact tone we used when we discussed cutting plexiglas. I suspect the object of his concern, was my not having a mate. He was very happy in his union, and he wanted the same for me. He feared that my advancing age (24) might make me difficult to market, but he did marry at nineteen. He told me if I didn’t find someone, he would take care of me when I was eighty. He also asked if we would have been a good a match, if he hadn’t met his wife first. I concluded two people who possess the same flavor and degree of stubbornness would be unlikely to bring out the best in each other in a long term relationship.
After I met Mister Hombre, I spent less time with my “husband”. The Mister had trouble grasping the nature of the friendship even though he had platonic female friends. The friendship I shared was more intimate than those he had established.
Today my friendship is an acquaintanceship. Life has a way of changing and our needs evolve with it. When I became involved with the Mister, his oldest was about to marry, and his youngest was eighteen. The firefighter and his wife were expecting their first child. Our paths were beginning to diverge.
The Mister never asked me to forfeit the friendship. I chose to taper it myself after watching both men engage in competitive chest puffing. I concluded spending time together didn’t bring out the best in either of them. It was like watching alpha males compete for territory. Maybe that’s a standard masculine practice to engage in before males get to know a competitor another guy. Loving two people isn’t enough to make them like each other and I wasn’t sure if I could witness the tension between them.
If I had to relive the moment again, I would change little. I had a valuable friend during the years I needed him most. I never allowed my feelings to compromise his relationship or my own.
If only it were always so simple.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
It’s interesting to read your story. Even a close friendship between two women would probably fade, given those life changes.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I totally agree with you, it is so personal and it is such a case by case thing to consider.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
okay, i agree with de and flutter. but, really, i’m also thinking this topic has been beaten to death. i love all the writers involved, but really. over it.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Man, I don’t check blogs for the weekend and everyone is blogging on this topic! One of my best friends is a man. None of us every thought twice about this…
February 10th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Man, woman, whatever - a friend is a friend. Worries about sexual AND “emotional” infidelity need to be addressed in the marriage, not by the friend. That is my line and I’m sticking to it….
February 10th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Laughing at the chest-puffing line. Ain’t that the truth.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
i love how this issue has taken off, and i love your perspective on it.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I wonder how he remembers you?
February 11th, 2008 at 12:21 am
“Put your marriage first, and choose the approach that best honors you and your partner’s relationship.” I think you said it all right there:~)
February 11th, 2008 at 9:24 am
In the end, it’s really just about mindfulness, isn’t it. “Keeping respect in mind” may play out differently in different cases, but it all boils down to honoring each other in the right ways if you follow that tenet. Your story is another example of that. Thanks for sharing it.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Once again, you take all the words outta my mouth.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Your post says it all. It depends on the people. My husband Max used to own a modeling and talent agency years before I met him, and as a result he has many former and lovely female clients and coworkers that are still his friends. I’ve never given those relationships a single worry or thought. Even after reading all thr thoughtful posts of this topic, I still don’t worry.
February 14th, 2008 at 8:52 am
De, you’re probably right. I have a tendency to look back on past friendships and wonder why they slipped away. Most of these tend to be relationships I needed at the time, but not those which would be better in the long run. Sometimes it’s good to remind ourselves…better to have loved and lost…than never.
flutter, I consider myself lucky this worked out. I know plenty of women and men who weren’t so lucky.
liv, mkay. Hello, kettle this is liv, and um you’re black
Emily, this is was a lemming topic. Everyone has had an interesting on it.
qt, yup!
meno, I included that line solely for your benefit.
jen, I thought it was good topic too. Like many divisive issues, there’s no one size fits all solution.
crazymumma, good question. I suspect he thinks I’ve changed since I’ve marriage. Who would I be if I didn’t change at least a little? My situation changed more than my soul, though, I think he may have seen them as one in the same.
Lynn, it sounds easier when you break down into two lines, doesn’t it?
Julie, thanks for visiting. I enjoyed your post as well. Especially including your spouse in the conversation. It frames the context better.
rachel, ;). maybe not all…
Diane Mandy, your statement is in excellent testament to the strength of relationship, as well as Max’s character. If only all could be so lucky.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:12 am
I am confused as to how this started, so I can only comment on your current post. I think it’s very admirable that you never let anything happen, despite heat between you. I don’t think others would be so honorable. I am not of the ilk that men and women can just be friends without thinking other things. I’m not saying we can’t control our sexual actions, but it’s hard to control emotional ones, and those can be devisive also. I realize I’m a bit of a school marm on this, but it’s only because I have been on both sides of the coin - from being friends with someone who was taken, to being married now and knowing someone who was not but friends with me. I just found it too hard to reconcile friendship with a man of the opposite sex I found attractive, so I left it alone. As always, nice post. So good.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Wow, that was a wonderful post. Really knocked me off the pedestal I was sitting pretty on for a moment there :).
I really, truly admire your self-control, and how you managed not to let such a close friendship get in the way of his marriage.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
mama P, it sounds like you made the choice that would best honor your relationship with your husband. I agree this is a very slippery slope. For me, the decision was an easy one, but I too have known others in which things didn’t work out well.
Suki, thanks for visiting. The strength of his marriage is largely responsible for the happy ending. I also considered the amount of trust his wife placed in me to do the right thing. It was important to do right by both of them, if the situation were reversed I would have wanted the same courtesy.